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    308 posts since Mar '04
  • lionnoisy's Avatar
    4,367 posts since May '05
    • Popular Mechanics is the only media reports the trail.

      http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/robotics/4284147.html

      Top: X-1's Brice Rebsamen kneels down, praying the robot will find its way across outdoor obstacles. Left: The X-1's robot gets stuck near two trash cans. Middle: Uni-Seeker's Evolution demonstrates how it operates an elevator outside of competition. Right: FANTASTICFOUR's xWarrior gets stuck near a road barrier.

      wow.This writer makes joke on SG military ability.He just thinks that

      the quantity makes any nation a military superpower.He forgets quality.

      Yankees still use the half a century old rifle.

      --cannot make a 21 st century SSW.Remember fail of XM 29?

      But SG is  in the advanced stage lah,man!!

      US have not delivered a USV lah.Just to name a few.

      http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/robotics/4229443.html

      http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/navy/assets/unmannedsurfacevehicles.html

      “The RSN successfully employed the Protector USV [in 2005] for force protection when we deployed an LST [Endurance-class landing dock ship] to the Arabian Gulf in support of the multinational reconstruction effort in Iraq,” he said.

      The Protector is a 30-foot-long, stealthy inflatable boat developed by Israel-based Rafael. Armed with surveillance equipment and the Typhoon close-in weapon system, it can approach suspicious craft night or day.

      http://www.dsta.gov.sg/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4205&Itemid=401

      Robot Boats Hunt High-Tech Pirates on the High-Speed Seas

      As maritime crime heats up, will the U.S. Navy follow Israel and Singapore’s lead to stock up on new unmanned surface vessels? And could they stop Al Qaeda?

       

      By Erik Sofge
      Published on: October 31, 2007

       

      http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/314943

      STK Squad Support Weapon to be delivered 2009

      Where is USA's SSW?

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      Without Winner, TechX Offers Gut Check for Worldwide War Bots

      Can military robots from non-superpower countries be ready for battle if they’re running into garbage bins and mistaking plants for elevators? And how does a year’s worth of U.S. funding make its way to Singapore without one of six autonomous reconnaissance units even finding a staircase? Popular Mechanics was the only major media outlet on hand for this weekend’s TechX Challenge with answers to those questions—and videos—from the next robo research frontier.
      By Wayne Ma
      Published on: September 22, 2008


      SINGAPORE — It's going to be a while before robots take over the world.

      The TechX Challenge, a government-sponsored contest being watched closely during the buildup of military robotics research worldwide, concluded here on Sunday not with a single winner like its DARPA-funded predecessors but with hand-built and upmodded bots scrambling to find their way.

      Six teams, mostly sponsored by local schools and universities, battled all-nighters, malfunctioning cameras and total system failures in a competition that required fairly complex robotic maneuvers—navigating around outdoor obstacles, entering a building, climbing stairs, operating an elevator, touching targets and then returning outside—for a cash prize of about $700,000. But after one too many bots found itself stuck behind a trash can or confused by orange traffic cones before hundreds of fans here this weekend, Singapore's Defense Science & Technology Agency (DSTA) decided to split a smaller purse with about $7000 for each finalist.

      Countries like Singapore, where skyscrapers rule but military superpower status certainly does not, are increasingly trying to tackle the modern challenges of urban warfare. And while early autonomous experiments by the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven that advanced bots can help keep soldiers safe, smaller nations with Georgia-size arsenals admit that they face years of R&D to move their robot armies beyond the realm of science fiction.Th ..

      http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/listing.aspx?pdtypeid=1

      Go for military shopping if u Got money!!

      Edited by lionnoisy 24 Sep `08, 11:50AM
  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    6,498 posts since Jan '03
    •  

      This writer makes joke on SG military ability.He just thinks that

       

      the quantity makes any nation a military superpower.He forgets quality.

      Yankees still use the half a century old rifle.

      --cannot make a 21 st century SSW.Remember fail of XM 29?

      Wow, now you are onto criticizing the US and saying how we're better? Big surprise.

      But you could at least try to get your facts rights when you try to criticize...

      Does Singapore have all these?

       

       

      But SG is  in the advanced stage lah,man!!

      US have not delivered a USV lah.Just to name a few.

      WRONG

      Firstly the Protector is an ISRAELI invention, we are just the user.

      Secondly, the USN are already using USVs for a very long time before protector, they have plenty of ROVs in their navy fleet, but even if you want to talk about USVs like Protector, they are also ahead with their own system.

      US are ahead of us in USV field liao, additionally their USV is far more capable then ours:

      GD Delivers First USV To US Navy For LCS

      The USV has a payload capacity of 5,000 pounds, beam length of 11.2 feet and is capable of operating continuously for 24 hours or more. During high-speed transits the vehicle can reach speed of 35 knots or higher. by Staff Writers
      Westminster MD (SPX) May 21, 2008
      General Dynamics Robotic Systems delivered the first 11-meter "Fleet" class Anti-Submarine Warfare Unmanned Surface Vehicle (ASW USV) to the U.S. Navy on May 2 as part of the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) mission package.

      General Dynamics Robotic Systems is a part of General Dynamics Land Systems (Sterling Heights, Michigan), a business unit of General Dynamics.

      General Dynamics has worked in partnership with a Navy team that includes PEO-Littoral and Mine Warfare (LMW), PMS-420 LCS Mission Package Systems, Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center, San Diego (SSC San Diego) and the Naval Undersea Warfare Center (NUWC) to design, integrate, test and deliver the USV.

      A second USV will be delivered to Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Newport, Rhode Island, in June. These USVs are the first unmanned surface vehicles to ever receive hull numbers from the Navy, and will be known as "11MUC0601" and "11MUC0602," respectively.

      LCS is a fast, agile, focused-mission platform designed for operation in near-shore environments to defeat asymmetric "anti-access" threats such as mines, quiet diesel submarines and fast surface craft. The ASW USV operates and supports payloads and sensor systems, including an unmanned towed-array sonar system and an active multi-static offboard low-frequency sonar system.

      The General Dynamics-designed vehicle provides a high-speed, high-payload capable craft with excellent sea keeping characteristics, along with a state-of-the-art unmanned navigation and autonomous control capability that includes 360-degree situational awareness.

      The USV has a payload capacity of 5,000 pounds, beam length of 11.2 feet and is capable of operating continuously for 24 hours or more. During high-speed transits the vehicle can reach speed of 35 knots or higher.

      A government-developed bow latch will launch and recover the unmanned surface vehicle from the LCS. As a semi-autonomous vehicle, the USV is capable of way-point navigation, sea keeping and station keeping.

      Additionally:

      This is what the USAF is using to attack enemy targets.

      This is what you are suggesting to "carsh" into targets:

      so who's the army with less quality and quantity?

      both is SAF.

      I think you are the one make joke on SG military ability

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 24 Sep `08, 6:50PM
  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    6,498 posts since Jan '03
    • Also, Australian AICW

      is more powerful and useful then STK SSW

      why?

      becos they use proven technology as well as a practical combat rifle instead of PDW for KE module.

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 24 Sep `08, 2:28PM
  • storywolf's Avatar
    2,158 posts since Mar '04
    • Lionnoisy – “wow.This writer makes joke on SG military ability.He just thinks that the quantity makes any nation a military superpower.He forgets quality.”

                              In the first place this whole thing was a joke, the goal is unrealistical and prize money is too small to attract any serious working model. Local schools and universities - just money, the tech or knowledge, or the parts to do anything close.
                              

      Remember this is not USA – which you can get a small radar or night vision off the commerical shelf, a lot of the items are controlled items, while in USA – they are off the shelf which anyone can buy.

                              One must remember this is not for a remote control robot,but a fully autonomous vehicle - that will expect to do everything without any commands. For something like that - it will take years to develop the coding, and equipment intergration.
                              
                              If we get laughed at - we deserve it - as it was too unrealise goal competition and goal !
                              
      Edited by storywolf 25 Sep `08, 9:54AM
  • lionnoisy's Avatar
    4,367 posts since May '05
    • Thanks for telling me there are so many stuffs in US.

      i am sorry part of my answers are here;

      http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/321267?page=4

      my feed back continues:

      SG is developing an unbreakable codes.

      I know u are laughing.

      http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/133945

      Miss Cryptographer,crack it

      http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/133906

      Quantum computing-----front line of defense

      when u and me chasing by a tiger

      u need not run as fast as Flashing Bolt.u just need slightly

      faster than me in order to survive.

      Like wise in defence,We need not have the spendid

      gears then we can win.

      So,pl dunt use the big boys stuff to impress me.

      When i think of their small arms and crew served weapons,

      i cry for the wifes and mothers of the fallen soldiers.

      The soldiers should have survived if they had

      a better weapons which technology and budget can afford.

      Australian AICW

      can u share what proven technology which they have adopted?

      do u think when Yankee cannot make it,can Oz make it?

      this is officail photo from Metalstrom in 2005.

      can they make the laser range finder smaller?

      http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=781

      The AICW was approved in 2001 .

      http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/nelsonTpl.cfm?CurrentId=755

       

      Ai ya!!Sg Ty!!if u want to prove oz is better,can u do somethings.

      Now i have to do for u !!

      This one looks much better,but sources cannot be vertified.

      http://www.vostokstation.com.au/Advanced%20Individual%20Combat%20Weapon.pdf

       

      http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/314943

      STK= Singapore Technology Kinetcis

      I think the above two looks not so bulky.

      Oz starts to replace SLR L1A1 by  F88 Austeyr  from 1989.

      SAR 21 was launched 10 years later.

      http://www.vostokstation.com.au/Advanced%20Individual%20Combat%20Weapon.pdf

      The F88 Austeyr is a derivative of the Austrian designed Steyr AUG assault rifle. The F88 replaced the SLR L1A1 in the early 1990's, the L1A1 is also a derived design of the FN FAL. The first non Special Forces unit to be issued with the F88 was the 6RAR, who received them in January 1989.

      http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/1999/sep/11sep99_nr.html

      So,i dunt think SG is very far behind Oz in rifle technology ,

      if not on par!!Anyway Steyr is designed by Austrian,not Australian.

      launched in 1999----designed and made in Jurong,Singapore!!

      SLR L1A1

      many third world country are still using it.SOF in some countries

      are reported also using it.

      UK adopted SA 80 to replace SLR from around 1985.

      mm

       

      mmm

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    6,498 posts since Jan '03
    • You just posted one entire thread of rubbish:

      Australian AICW

      can u share what proven technology which they have adopted?

      do u think when Yankee cannot make it,can Oz make it?

      AICW is not OICW, noisy but toothless lion.

      Instead of creating the OICW from scratch with new and unproven technology, the Aussies are coming up with something similar with current technology. If the Belgians can make the FN2000, the AICW is not an issue.

      They mated thier proven Aug rifle with their metalstorm technology, the AICW is created entirely out of things that can work.

      AFAIK the AICW is a lot closer to completion then the SSW, in terms of concept and technology, as well as cost savings.

      Additionally, the AICW has more firepower then the SSW in terms of the KE module. The SSW user is limited by his small PDW-style module while the AICW user can function like a proper rifleman.

      If you ask me STK is making a mistake with the SSW, they should make something similar to the AICW, using the SAR-21 frame with the Australian metalstorm GL, making something that is far more useful.

      this is officail photo from Metalstrom in 2005.

      can they make the laser range finder smaller?

      You have no idea what you are talking about... never heard of proof-of-concept ah?

      if not on par!!Anyway Steyr is designed by Austrian,not Australian.

      launched in 1999----designed and made in Jurong,Singapore!!

      What's the point of designing your own stuff unless it is for the experience?

      Is the SAR-21 any better then other rifles out there? No.

      Is it inferior in many ways? Yes.

      The good thing about the SAR-21 is that it gives us experience in making our own weapon, but it's not really an achivement as far as making a GOOD rifle goes.

      Also, how come the SAR-21 has not been improved much in the last 9 years and non of the variants that allow our soldier to fight better have been distributed in our front line units?

      This is a failure of the system.

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 25 Sep `08, 3:48PM
  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    6,498 posts since Jan '03
    • STK= Singapore Technology Kinetcis

      I think the above two looks not so bulky.

      The last time you said something like that, you said that FANTAIL was the smallest UAV in the world.

      Basically the SSW cheats, it is simply a GL with a small PWD below, the AICW uses a full fledged assualt rifle, so if anything one could argue the SSW is too BULKY for its size.

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    6,498 posts since Jan '03
    • Also you tried to suggest that Singapore is ahead of the US in unmanned technology, which is really laughable.

      Firstly we had little to do with Protector, we simply used what the Israelis innovated.

      Secondly, the US has been testing and deploying plenty of unmanned technology:

       

      I have yet to see STK really come up with anything that can challange this, nor do I think they will.

      But you want them to right? Too bad you are not their CEO.

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    • If the Belgians can make the FN2000, the AICW is not an issue.

      can u confirm FN 2000 is fully developed and in production?

      2.What unmanned technology has USA applied in war?

      3.The Yankees have few tactical UAV ,similiar to our stocks.

      We are short of UAV with weapons!!

      But we have Fantail which Yankees dunt have!!

      The vertical launched UAV which u have shown us

      is very big!!

      Fantail

      http://www.af.mil/factsheets/index.asp

      http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10446

      http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=6405

      We are short of UAV with weapons!!

       

       

       

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    • can u confirm FN 2000 is fully developed and in production?

      You even dare to ask this question?

      Do your homework, the FN 2000 has a production and deployement run SEVERAL times that our our SAR-21.

      Users

       
      • Flag of East Timor East Timor: In the 2006 Operation Astute, peacekeeping forces led by the Australian Defence Force confiscated several of these weapons from Timorese police forces. It is not known how the rifles came into the possession of the local police force.
      • Flag of Belgium Belgium: The F2000 rifle has been used by the Belgian Army Special Forces Group since 2004 and is currently being issued to regular infantry formations as a successor to the FN FNC service rifle. Initially, both rifles will be used alongside each other at a rate of two F2000 per eight-person infantry squad.
      • Flag of Chile Chile: The Chilean Army Special Forces (Fuerzas Especiales) use the F2000 rifle with the P90.
      • Flag of Croatia Croatia: The Croatian Army tested the rifle in 2006. As of 2008[update], the 1st Airborne Company of the Special Operations Battalion is the only army unit equipped with this weapon. According to unofficial estimates, approx. 100 rifles have been purchased.[4]
      • Flag of India India: Used by the Special Protection Group.
      • Flag of Mexico Mexico: The Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales of the Mexican Army uses the F2000 assault rifle.
      • Flag of Pakistan Pakistan: The Pakistan Air Force Special Service Wing (SSW) use the F2000 among other weapons.
      • Flag of Peru Peru: Peruvian Army special forces actively use the F2000 rifle.
      • Flag of Poland Poland: Used by GROM in limited numbers.
      • Flag of Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabia is rumored to have signed a contract with FN Herstal in 2005 for 50,000 F2000 rifles to complement their P90 purchase.
      • Flag of Slovenia Slovenia: In June 2006, the ministry of defence of the Republic of Slovenia signed a contract with FN Herstal involving the acquisition of 6,500 F2000 rifles as the new standard service rifle for the Slovenian Armed Forces. This is arguably the first confirmed large-scale adoption for this rifle from a European and NATO member country. The basic F2000 Tactical model was upgraded according to Slovenian specifications and designated F2000 S, the most apparent feature being a raised Picatinny rail also functioning as a carrying handle. The rifle debuted on July 25 2007. The rifle has been accepted warmly by the soldiers due to its ergonomics, accuracy and modularity. Rearmament was completed by the end of 2007. In 2012 the Slovenian army is going to arm its reserve soldiers with the F2000 S as well. The Slovenian army will ultimately purchase 14,000 rifles.[5]
      • Flag of Spain Spain: The Spanish Military have been experimenting and field testing this rifle and are expecting to put it into service in 2009 with light infantry divisions

       

       

      2.What unmanned technology has USA applied in war?

      3.The Yankees have few tactical UAV ,similiar to our stocks.

      We are short of UAV with weapons!!

      WRONG!

      The US have applied UGVs in the war in Iraq to significant sucess.

      And their tactical UAV technology and experience is way ahead of us.

      But we have Fantail which Yankees dunt have!!

      The vertical launched UAV which u have shown us

      is very big!!

      WRONG

      They have a SMALLER UAV that they have ALREADY used in battle.

      wrong

      wrong

      wrong

      your entire post is full of errors.

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 25 Sep `08, 4:29PM
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    • RQ-14 Dragon Eye

      <!-- start content -->

      A Dragon Eye UAV
      A Dragon Eye UAV
      A marine checks a DE-903 UAV
      A marine checks a DE-903 UAV
      This article is about a US Marine Corps unmanned aerial vehicle. For the manga by Kairi Fujiyama, see Dragon Eye (manga).

      The Dragon Eye Unmanned Aerial Vehicle is a 2.3 kg reconnaissance UAV developed by the Naval Research Laboratory and the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory for use by the U.S. Marine Corps. The Dragon Eye aircraft is used primarily for scouting urban areas, and is especially useful in urban assaults. Its camera, when used with a trained Marine, can be used to spot enemies without alerting them to the UAV's presence. Launched using a store-bought bungee cord, it is very easy to get aloft and becomes useful very quickly. It also uses a break-apart system to increase durability — parts of the plane break apart instead of shattering and can be reattached later or replaced with new parts.

      The Dragon Eye has been used in post-invasion Iraq, 2003–2006.

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    6,498 posts since Jan '03
    • LOL lionnoisy pwnage as usual.

      So lionnoisy, do you admit your mistake?

      Do you admit that you never do your homework and anyhow say things?

       

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 25 Sep `08, 4:31PM
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