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World and Asia Pacific News Discussions woman tells of 24 years of imprisonment n rape by her father
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DNA: Sex captor fathered daughter's children
- DNA confirms that Austrian man fathered six children with his
daughter
- Josef Fritzl kept daughter imprisoned under home for 24 years,
police say
- Fritzl, who appeared in court Tuesday, has admitted guilt and
faces 15 years
Friend of Fritzl's wife says she never knew something was so wrong there
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AMSTETTEN, Austria (CNN) -- DNA testing has confirmed that Josef Fritzl, who police say confessed to holding his daughter hostage in underground rooms for more than two decades, fathered seven children with her, an Austrian law enforcement official said Tuesday.
"It is clear now (that) the six children of Elisabeth Fritzl, that she bore ... that this is the father, who is now 73 years old, something that we, from a criminal point of view, we have never met such a case. Astonishing," said Franz Polzer, director of the Lower Austrian Bureau of Criminal Affairs.
The seventh child died shortly after birth, and Fritzl told police he burned the infant's body in an oven, authorities said. Though its body was not available for DNA testing, police said it was a twin to one of the six tested.
Fritzl's DNA also was found on a letter sent to the Fritzl family that was made to look like it was from his daughter, Elisabeth, Polzer said.
Authorities said Fritzl sent other such letters over the years, leading the family to believe that Elisabeth was a runaway who had abandoned three of her children on the Fritzls' doorstep.
Those three children lived in the home above the cellar prison -- in which the three other children remained -- with Fritzl and his wife, Elisabeth's mother, Rosemarie.
Authorities said it doesn't appear that Rosemarie Fritzl was involved in or knew about her husband's activities.
She had talked to her friend Gertrude Baumgarten about one of the infants left on her doorstep.
"She said she believed her daughter had had the child with someone from the cult and couldn't take care of it. That's why Elisabeth laid it in front of the door.
"And [Rosemarie] said, 'Well, what can we do? We have to take the child in,' " Baumgarten said.
"She never knew that something was so very wrong there," she said, adding, "I believe it would be fitting to get a rope and hang him. Such a pig!"
Reports have surfaced in The Times of London and Austria's Presse that Fritzl was convicted of sexual assault in the 1960s, but there is nothing in his record to confirm this, District Governor Hans Heinz Lenze said. He added, however, that records are expunged after a certain number of years.
Prosecutors are checking back records to try to find this information, said Gerhard Sedlacek, prosecutor for the state of Poelten.
The Times of London quotes a 50-year-old neighbor who said that when he was 10, he remembered "how we children were afraid to play near Mr. F's house because of the rumors that he had raped a woman and spent some time in jail for it."
Fritzl led police to the cellar, which has about 100 square feet, on Sunday. A day later, he confessed to raping Elisabeth, now 42, and keeping her and their children in captivity in the cellar for years, police said.
Josef Fritzl was able to convince social service workers, friends and family that Elisabeth had run away in 1984, when she was about 18. Police describe him as an authoritarian figure, forbidding anyone in the family from entering the cellar.
In the cellar with Elisabeth were a daughter, Kerstin, 19; and two sons, Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5.
The three children held in the cellar in the town of Amstetten were still in the hospital Tuesday after their horrific ordeal.
The eldest of the children, Kerstin Fritzl, was in an induced coma.
Stefan and Felix are said to be doing "surprisingly well and in good health," considering that they had never been exposed to sunlight, CNN's Phil Black said. The boys are still undergoing medical treatment, he added.
Police said Tuesday that they have searched other properties belonging to Fritzl to make sure there are no other similar situations. Nothing has been found, they said.
Also Tuesday, a judge ordered Fritzl to remain in custody. He appeared calm and showed no emotion in court, according to an Austrian reporter present.
Some neighbors have lived in the area for 30 years and not only knew Josef Fritzl but also knew Elisabeth as a youngster, said Maria Otto Pries, who has lived in the area only three years and did not know the family.
"Many people have shaken his hand and said hello and gone to the same bakery with him and had a coffee with him at the coffee shop," she said. "The scarier fact is that it happened just around the corner."
Thomas Birgfellner, a reporter with Austrian broadcaster ORF, said there was a strong belief that, with his expertise as a former electrical engineer, Fritzl -- who installed an electronic security door in the cellar -- must have had help from other people.
"Everyone has said he could not do it alone. He could not install it alone, and now they have to investigate if there were some other people who assisted him," Birgfellner said.
It was Kerstin's serious condition that led to the unraveling of the case over the weekend, forcing Josef Fritzl -- who she thought was her grandfather -- to take her to the hospital in Amstetten, west of Vienna.
Kerstin's mother, Elisabeth, begged Josef Fritzl to take the teen to the hospital.
Josef told his wife that their missing daughter had dropped off ailing Kerstin on the doorstep with a note asking that they get her medical care.
Josef took her to the town's clinic with the note, but doctors needed more information to determine why the young woman was unconscious and having violent convulsions.
So they contacted police, who asked the local media to report on Kerstin's situation in an effort to find the missing mother.
Elisabeth and her two sons saw the reports on the television provided to them in their living quarters, Polzer said, and "they desperately pleaded with their father so they could be taken [to the hospital] ... [and] do something for the 19-year-old."
Josef Fritzl agreed and took all three of the remaining captives out of the basement, explaining to Rosemarie and the rest of the family that Elisabeth had reappeared with her two children after 24 years.
He took them to the hospital, and authorities there realized that something was wrong. Police picked up both Josef and Elisabeth on Saturday near the hospital and brought them into the station for questioning.
Josef would not talk to police, but Elisabeth began to tell her story once she was convinced that she would never have to see her father again and that her children would be safe.
She told police that her father began sexually abusing her at age 11.
On August 8, 1984, weeks before she was reported missing, her father enticed her into the basement, where he drugged her, put her in handcuffs and locked her in a room, she told police.<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->
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Originally posted by sbst275:
listing fee lasomemore open new outlet gotta folk out $$ to sponser hor

i'll call my suppliers to sponsor some of our prizes at annual branch "D & D"

they agreed (100% will agree lor MUAHAHHAH) then fax letter with letterhead to them
the week before, during, and the week (not after) 20% discount off selected merchandises at GMS departments, the TLs there will be busy ordering stocks and keeping extra stocks of some saleable items.. taking advantage of the offer cost hahaha
but then .. the more stressful and challenging departments i've handled is non-food

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Originally posted by sbst275:
those gondola some chap huey tiam also got as incentive... those nvm... but the listing fee one is really
i was told .. the grocery item each stock code listing is $xxxx , 3 months trial .. if cannot sell.. bye bye to that stock code (deactivate or deleted) i think lolEdited by Phoebie 10 May `08, 1:44AM
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Originally posted by sbst275:
cos chap huey tiam dun have those supplier hidden costyou know wanna sell things at NTUC got to pay them for shelving fee leh
if not how can they make profits
not to forget monthly or etc pallet / gondola / side stands displays, tentage and other lelong sales space and etc lolEdited by Phoebie 09 May `08, 10:09PM
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Originally posted by noob321:
TS tio flame now scared liao go edit his thread
even if he had removed his original post, it won't serve much purposes to him,as there are other forumnites whom have had his original post quoted
i've quoted his original post in thread intentionally in case he edits / remove his

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Originally posted by Kiasumonkey:
been working in singapore for more than 1 year I am foreigner I realized just after a couple of months that Singaporeans are really stupid, why I am saying this is because when taking the MRT every morning, people inside already inside the train dont move inside to allow new passengers to get in they just standing there and dont move down at all so you insist and say sorry by pushing and trying squeeze yourself a little bit but they look at you and keep holding their position. Really stupid attitude and manner.
When applying to a job, either you got overqualified for the positon or we dont have the money to pay you because you are well-educated foreinger with master degree they can not afford paying you. what makes funny is when Mentor Lee Kew Yew said "We need more talents to cope with increasing jobs offers and we dont have enought people to take up all the jobs" fucking not true at all, on the field it is the way round when sending resume over got no interviewed at all and I am really qulified not talking shit like mister LKY.
Pay remaining the same and living cost keep increasing at least 40 higher than last year. how can you survive in this stupid country. The condom is more expensive in Singapore than London but in London you get paid 3 times more than Singapore. how stupid is that ?
what I can see Singapore is going to sink quickly not the government but poor Singaporeans with 800 to 1000 SGD per month per family what can they do more than suicide?
sorry forgot "Welcome to the lying Singapore"
why the fuck is a condom being mentioned?
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Originally posted by Kiasumonkey:
Hi,
just want to opne up your eyes to the reality about buddhism, is a shit religion of fucking compassion and stupidity, no one is fucking your fucking kindnesss.
Whenever there is buddhism there is sex and prostitution such as bangkok buddhad landit is a funcking stupid indian guy one day wanted to become the fucking buddha and messes up the whole asia with his fucking religion
Jesus Christ came down to the earth to save his children fucking buddha left his children to reach the nirvana
think again before choosing buddhism as your religion.
i roll my eyes at ts



Edited by Phoebie 08 May `08, 1:21PM
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Originally posted by omgukilledkenny:
I solved my prob by getting my friend's game folder and use his to overwrite mine.
But Cabal installation file already 2gb hor...=X might take a while to transfer the whole folder in your case hehe.
yup 2gb
i saw this in pp forums posted by SoulReaper:
posted by SoulReaper:
Hi to all AVG users. AVG is never lame, nor stupid or rubbish. They're one of the leading anti-virus softwares currently in the market and being widely used by corporates (*Wildly use by home users too). You just don't know how to utilize it because this software is not meant for IT-illiterates.
If you see trojan horses being detected while installing Cabal, do not panic or worry because not all trojans do harm to your computer.
When you download the new client, and if the Resident Shield pops up saying it is a trojan horse, do the following: (AVG 8.0.100)
1. Click Ignore
2. Go to your AVG Resident Shield
3. Click Manage exceptions
4. Tick the 'use excludes for the Resident Shield'
5. Add path c:\wherever you put your entire Cabal Folder
6. Click ok and save changes
7. Run your cabal.exe
8. Come back here and say many thanks.
Note*: Disabling Resident Shield will result in your computer being exposed to REAL threats.
Cheers.hopefully the trojan issue will be solved..
but i'm still paranoid cause it seems there's not yet an official reply from asiasoft regarding this issue
Edited by Phoebie 07 May `08, 9:21PM
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Originally posted by omgukilledkenny:
ooo i'm playing another game, pirate king online, also got this prob after i reinstalled.
Apparently someone hacked the update server and put a trojan there.

Might be same thing going on in Cabal?
omg T_Ti'm not very sure.. i hope the trojan is not disastrous T_T
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these few days i've got nothing to do .. so i reinstall back cabalSEA client and was working fine all the day..
until just now when i tried to login .. the anti virus program in my laptop detected there's a trojan Trojan Horse Downloader.Banload.UHT
i heal it .. and is unable to launch the game
i reinstall and the shit is still there..
anyone's facing the same problem?
Edited by Phoebie 07 May `08, 8:32PM
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A man is very horny and goes into a whore house. he goes up to a whore and tell her he wants to do something new and exciting. so she tells him "ok, baby, how about a little 69?". he says "69? what's that?" so she tells him "come upstairs and i'll show you". so they go upstairs, get naked, climb on the bed and start doing 69.
After about 5 minutes, she farts. he's a little shocked, but doesn't say anything because he's enjoying it so much. she continues, he continues and after about 15 minutes, she farts again. this time much bigger than the first. the guy gets really upset, but still doesn't say anything because he's still very turned on and enjoying his 69.after about 10 minutes, she farts again, this time a huge ripper, really smelly. by now he's really disgusted and throws her off the bed, and starts getting dressed. she looks up at him and says "what's the matter honey, didn't you enjoy 69?" and he shouts back "Hell no! i can't take 66 more of those!!!!"
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